View Full Version : Whipplecharger back fit issues...


BOSS 3.0
Sep 05 2003, 12:46am
[Sorry Doug904, couldn't wait, I was getting bashed on PM's]
O.K., here is the poop, this post is going to change as new info comes up. I started with the basics and DOUG904 has kicked in with some great stuff as well. As we progress, I will delete posts to save on space and eliminate the hassles of scrolling through a dozen posts to get the latest. Stay tuned for more...

Early '92 - Silly dual belts. Should work, but need input from DZK007 since I don't know how they are routed. Worst case, swap brackets out with a late '92 (or newer) Ranger to make it easier. See below.

Late '92-'94 - Here is my take. Doug believes it will clear, I'm scraping up cash to buy one to make it work. Closing on a house Monday (8SEP03), so, needless to say, money is tight!

Hood Clearance - Possible issues. The Gen II has a lower hoodline AND there is a major issue (that is never discussed) with the body bushings on early Rangers. After 5 years of abuse, the body bushings start to decompose/crack and you lose valuable clearance that way. Mine were compressed 1". I replaced them with Poly Bushings and there was still not enough room for the "Franken-charger" on my '94. I'll post more later...

Charger, plenum, intake, and TB - All good, no height differences in the years, distributor looks like it will clear BIG TIME (in the pictures).

Throttle cable - Doug904: "...changed in the '95 up versions so you will need a new one and you will have to modify the hole in the cab to work, just open it up a bit. I had to do this with my SOHC swap into my 93."

TB to MAF intake - Same, may have to play with the air cleaner as I do not know if that air cleaner will drop in. Besides, my math says the stock panel filter fails at 4,000RPM's or less at high boost levels (restriction), Open element w/ a heat shield?

Injectors - No go. Late Bosch pencil type. But them on eBay. Get the earlier Gen II 24-30lb injectors while you are there. Doug904: "Use 19's and a 8:1-12:1 FMU depending on what the fuel pressure turns out to be. This will have to be adjusted accordingly since I can't only estimate at the moment. The FMU has been around for over 50 years including the Paxton superchargeed 57 thunderbird. Yes, its kinda over kill in some situtaions but its a VERY safe way of enriching the fuel curve. Ed and Whipple have both said this combo is on the edge of blowing head gaskets and when they ran the wrong plug combo they blew one so I would be safe and use the FMU until I could get a dyno tuned chip. Not to mention FMU and 19's injectors = $250 at most, dyno tuned chip and larger injectors $450 plus best estimate I've had has been $600."

4.0L MAF - Without the MAF transfer data, it is useless. If someone has that data, it will help alot!

What we need: (in addition to the parts in the kit)
Correct Plugs - To be determined

Higher volume fuel pump - 110 minimum

Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, boost referenced - This raises your fuel pressure, lb for lb with boost pressure.
Doug904: "The stock fuel pressure regulator will wrok fine but since you do have them available you can get one if you'd like. The FMU can adjust the fuel pressure accordingly. If you get a Cartech FPR/FMU you can use it to asjust both of the ratio's. That's what I use on mine."{/i]

MAF calibrated for the 23lb injectors and S/C (Pro-M) or the MAF transfer data from the 4.0L MAF to have a custom chip burned (Best approach) for the S/C, MAF function and injectors. Get one from a company that can reburn it after a dyno run to tweek it in.
Doug904: [i]"The MAF and transfer function way is very good BUT only if you have access to BOTH a dyno and a chip tuner who can adjust your chip accoridng to boost situtaions. YOU WILL NOT GET THIS ADJUSTMENT PERFECT THREW A MAIL ORDER CHIP I DON'T CARE WHO DOES IT. I know, I've worked with 3 different chip guys trying to do so. This is a critcal adjustment, you will blow head gaskets and possibly even burn vavles like I have done. I tried it using 42lbs injectors and a 75pro-m mass air in which I had the transfer sheet in front of me and forwarded to the chip manufacturer."
- Boss ditto's this, Check --------- for a dyno run/chipburn session near you.

'95-'97 - Doug904: "will be the same on everything except the cable, you can use your stock one." Possible hood clearance issues.

'98-'2003 - Doug904: "The 98up will be almost the exact same as the kit now just a little different computer calibration would be necessary, talk with Brian at Apten and he'll get that straight for you." No hood clearance issues.

'04 - Don't look here! Look at the instruction sheet that came with your Whipplecharger!

dumbnutofak
Sep 05 2003, 07:14pm
umm i can check on the fuel pump @ napa. If ya'll want. I get em @ store cost so....lemme know

bluedge
Sep 05 2003, 11:32pm
I'd like a bigger fuel pump for by '01 if you could look it up? What does a 155lph pump run? Thanks. I really hope you 92+ guys get this thing to work easily. I like gen 1s more and more everyday:) (cough-projecttruck-cough).

~Russell

3.0 kaos
Sep 06 2003, 12:29am
That is exactly what I wanted to here for my 99 ranger wonder if flexfuel needs special computer attention

dumbnutofak
Sep 06 2003, 03:06am
I can look for ya, maybe we can talk prices...lol i dont wanna get it hella cheap then have u beable to get it @ same price cuz of shipping(by same price I mean where u live cost = to my cost+ship.)

bluedge
Sep 06 2003, 09:14am
Yeah that's cool. Just let me know and if it works out, I may get one from you. Thanks.

~Russell

Brandon Miller
Sep 06 2003, 11:28am
One thing I noticed on pre 93 Rangers that will cause a problem is hood clearance. After looking at the Whipple setup and studying my truck, I'm not sure if the kit will clear the hood on a pre 93.

Bone683
Sep 06 2003, 08:53pm
what about that EGR system on the engines ? can it be bypassed?

BOSS 3.0
Sep 07 2003, 01:18am
Many issues:
Trip codes, can be "deprogrammed" with a chip
Plg ends, etc.
Wouldn't recommend it, but possible.

dumbnutofak
Sep 09 2003, 03:43am
bah being the gay store napa is, they dont carry larger size fuel pumps only OEM...sorry guys :-/

3.0 kaos
Sep 10 2003, 08:51pm
what would be a good way to adapt egr vulcans to the wipple?

Uncle Ernie
Sep 11 2003, 01:06am
what would be a good way to adapt egr vulcans to the wipple?

I would say cap it at the header and buy a non-egr computer for your model year.

3.0 kaos
Sep 14 2003, 02:34pm
Just read they sell egr wipples for 00-01 vulcans

Hammy211
Sep 30 2003, 08:53am
Not exactly "back fit," but do you think the whipple is going to work on a 2000 Mazda B3000. Also, what is the issue with the ffv engines. I thought almost all newer trucks which the whipple is being made for were ffv so I could hope it would work fine with them.

Hammy211
Oct 03 2003, 04:44am
"I do not believe that system will work on your Mazda motor. Our kits are designed for specific motors. The bracketry and computer system would be different." This is the response I got from Whipple. Please be wrong.

3.0 kaos
Oct 11 2003, 07:50pm
MY buddy has a mazda slightly differint skins and badging but every thing the same Interior matches to a tee don't think you'll have a problem

dangerranger02
Oct 12 2003, 04:57pm
about the napa fuel pump, why not just use an OEM Mustang pump?

Adam Baker
Oct 14 2003, 12:09pm
The 3.0 in your ranger is exactly the same as the 3.0 in a ranger, so it should work exactly like it would if you had a ranger.

Originally posted by Hammy211
"I do not believe that system will work on your Mazda motor. Our kits are designed for specific motors. The bracketry and computer system would be different." This is the response I got from Whipple. Please be wrong.

Hammy211
Oct 15 2003, 04:42pm
From SC3.0L
"The immediate release of the kit will be for 2002 thru 2004 for both automatic and manual versions. There are simply too many variations between 1994 thru 2001 for us to handle considering the fact that we are also introducing a F150 5.4L-3V and 5.4L-2V Expedition SC kits within several months of the release of the 3.0L Ranger kit.

However, assuming that arrangements can be finalized we will depend on several SC kit modifiers/dealers to distribute non-emissions legal/off-road only version kits for 1994 thru 2001. We will eventually back track for 2000 and 2001 emissions legal kits as soon as we can catch up."

This has nothing to do my question about the Mazda. Was posted by SC3.0L in the "My impressions of the Whipple supercharger" thread.

bluedge
Oct 15 2003, 05:31pm
Hmm, so depending on whether an emissions legal kit is available for my 01 when I get the money to either SC or do a V8, I may or may not stick with my 3.0. I still can't wait to see the first kit installed on somebody's truck from rps.

~Russell