I ran mine at the track sunday and i ran a 10.926. I wanted to know if I am running as fast as anyone else. Don't foget that i have a B2 and they are heavier than rangers.

Mine will probably run in the mid to high 8s, but I do have 2 more cylinders than you and a bottle. ;)

I was gonna say, Brandon. You have a little bit of an ace in the whole, so.... :E :dunce:

If I ever get any cash i am going to run a 75 or 100 shot on mine and see how much i pick up. I have a really good freind with a 96 mustang and he has cobra heads, cobra intake, headers, 75mm TB, cold induction system, 282 Lunatia cam, 2800 stall, flowmasters, the works man and he runs 8.3s with a 75 shot. I am going to see if he will let me use his NOS for a weekend. If he does I will let you guys know how much it helps us 2.9L owners(NOW, NOW BRANDON, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE YOU) hehe.

WEll, fortunately or unfortunatly, how ever you want to look at it, I dont think that I will be a member of the 2.9 family for a whole lot longer. My current project, if something doesnt end up causing it to change (like the 5.0 swap), Im going to be doing a Twin Turbocharged 4.0 w/ a T-5 tranny.

I am not trying to discorage yo but that is going to take a lot more money to do than a 5.0 swap. If you want a 4.0 with forced air induction, just get a 4.0 and buy a supercharger for it. There really isn't enough room for a 4.0 and two turbos under the hood of a ranger. Those things are going to build so much heat you will have to intercool, more money. Those things are going to build so much boost you better have quality electronics and controllers and pistons and rods and a crank and main bolts and other stuff too. If you are not going to fork out the cash to stregnthen the bottom end so you can run more boost, you know, if you are going to have two turbos and run 10lbs of boost when you could do that just as well with one then don't over do it. If you are that set on a turbo than just run one, it will fill you needs fine. I know you have probably seen some of these ricers running 15-20-even 30lbs of boost but they are also forking out major cash. Unless it is going to be a race truck only there is no point in 2 turbos. I have finally realized that I can buy a chevete and a 500 c.i. cadillac motor from the salvage yard and run 11 second 1/4s alot cheaper than I can ever make my B2 do the same.
If you make any progress or already have made some let us know.

Trust me twin turbos will fit with a 4.0 because they will fit under my hood with a 5.0. I've already checked into it and we've already had a mock setup in the engine bay to see if it would fit.

Well, I cant do a 5.0 swap. I had planned on it, but got told plenty of times that its not legal in NC.

Brandon just talked about doing a TT 5.0 in a B2, and Jim K is currently working out his 5.0 where he will be putting in twin turbo's. And as for the IC's, Im already planning on that. Im looking at making this long term project (Prolly 18 months or more, at least), so the money stand point isnt quiet as big a deal. I am planning on getting a JY 4.0 and doing a complete rebuild, and building up the bottom end as much as I can in the process.

Im also planning on using MSD ignition equiptment, like the MSD ignition w/ boost control. And better coil. and then I might also end up w/ some sort of aftermarket comp chip.

Sounds like a man with a plan to me.

where can you put them. You can't really put one on the drivers side because of all of the steering and stuff and there is really only room for one on the passenger side. But, if you can, why twin turbo a 4.0 when you can twin turbo a 5.0. A 5.0 is a big enough engine to actually need two tubos unlike the 4.0 which for daily driving and the occasional street race won't need two turbos. I don't see the point in the two turbos, if you do have two in on a 4.0 they will have to be small or they will never spool up, you are only going to have 2 liters trying to fill each turbo which may not seem like much but with a 5.0 you will have 2.5 liters filling each not to mention faster piston speeds because a 5.0 hase a shorter stroke than a 4.0 which will help it spool faster. Seeing how there is a kit out there for twin turboing the 5.0 and not one for a 4.0 it would probably be cheaper to do the 5.0 anyway. i used to be a big fan of turbos until i started going to the track alot, every time I see a Grand national or subaru or any turbocharged vehicle haveing to waste time to build boost I can't help but to thing of those supercharged guys who have the boost at there disposal thanks to the help of belt drives that can keep the boost almost all the way up even at idle. It is you money and time, if you are that set on twin turbos do a 5.0, that is somthing you can get pleasure out of just by hearing it run even without the help of two turbos.

I dont want to be a dick, I really dont, but Ive already said this, and I have said it plenty of times. I CANT DO A 5.0 SWAP, ITS NOT LEGAL IN NORTH CAROLINA. I want to do a TT 4.0 swap because its different, and I think that it would be really cool. Trust me when I say taht would rather have the 5.0, and in fact, I was all ready to start it. just ask Jim K or Jeff Baker.

I posted that last post before I knew that you couldn't have a 5.0. Here is an idea(keepin mind that I am not trying to discourage you but make you thinks things through before spending any money and ending up with no beans) get a 4.0 from the junkyard, bolt in a 2.9 crank(direct fit except for rods and you can get those from vanire tech) this would be the equivalant to chevorlets big bore shorts stroke monster motors you see on the 1/4 mile dirt ovals except in V6 form. The reason you would want to do this is you get good displament from the big pistons and super fast piston speeds(needed for fast spooling) plus you can rev it tighter because of the short stroke. Then bolt on the turbos. what do ya think?:confused:

Yep Adam is right. He was all up on the idea of a 5.0 swap. He asked me some questions about it too.

A twin turbo 4.0 can always be a daily driver. I've seen a twin turbo 5.0 pushin 1300 hp that was a daily driver. I like Adam's idea of a twin turbo 4.0 because it is different and I'd like to see just for that fact.

I think that post about being a dick was completly uncalled for too man. Every body is here trying to have a good time, help each other, and obtain help. You shouldn't assume that every time you post somthing people will remember it forever. :mad:

Im sorry about that. Im just getting a little frustrated cause I keep telling people that I have already tried to do the 5.0 swap, and no one seems to want to listen to me.

As for bolting in the 2.9 crank, that might work. My biggest concern was as to whether the 2.9 crank would withstand the pressures and heat and what not that a TT set up would produce. But it would help b/c it would lower the overall compression ratio, which Jeff told me would be what I want so as to keep from detonating the engine.

Ok, so we're all cool. :hug: Group hug. hehehe. Anyway. Im one of those people that is willing to spend a little more money to have something that is different.

BTW Brandon, wanna race when its done? hehehehe

I don't really think the 2.9 crank will hold up to the twin turbo mainly for the fact that it's a cast crank. If you could some up with a forged one somewhere, I'd say jump all over it then.

Hey I'll race anything Adam. You should know that by now. :D

Well, I was chatting w/ jeff a couple weeks ago, and he told me to check out Scat. He said they make some awesome cranks, so I figured what the hey. I emailed em like 2 weeks ago asking about the cost of a custom crank for a 2.9. I got a response yesterday. In it, it said that in order to have a custom crank made, at least 6 have to be ordered at once, at a cost of 2800 bucks a piece, w/ a 50% deposit up front. But another reason why i have decided to go w/ the 4.0 is the prescence of a lot more aftermarket engine parts.

SOunds like a date, hehehehehehehe

Originally posted by Brandon Miller
Hey I'll race anything Adam. You should know that by now. :D

2800 a piece? DAMN!!! Stick with the 4.0 stuff then.

That was exactly what I thought. I might be willing to spend a little more to be differnet, but thats just a little too much for the sake of uniqueness

Does anyone make a forged 4.0L crank. You know you can actually have a crankshaft destroked, it is a machining process where they build up the bottom of each rod jounal and grind the top of the jounal down and refinish it so that the rod won't travel as far. I think that this process is fairly inexpensive(10 bucks a jounal i believe) you would have to have rods made also though but it would lower compression ratios and obtain faster piston speeds.

Huh, I didnt really know something like that could be done, but I suppose it would just be common sense. That would have to be somethign to check in to.


BTW, we seem to really be burning up the 2.9 board tonight. This is the most traffic that its seen since RF got back up.

Destroking it would only benefit if you could get a good stroke/rod lenght ratio. If you didn't, you wouldn't really gain much and it might possibly hurt your performance.

What would you suggest Brandon?? I obviously want something that will help, but not have it be hard to get to work correctly.

Hmm, let me do some reading up tonight on the 4.0 and 2.9 ratios and see what I can come up with. Also you might want to try and get ahold of 410Fortune since he did the 2.9 to 4.0 swap.

seeing how he is in the researching stages of his project he has plenty of time to check out sight and maybe find out the perfect stroke rod ratio and maybe if he finds it out he can obtain it, who knows, it may only be a couple of thousanths away. BTW, I would love to see this much traffic here every night, to bad it is only the three of us. i also got my B2 primed out today and i am just going to go with solid orion silver anless you guys think i should put the tribal flames on the sides. let me know what you think.

I know. all the other engine boards have traffic out to wazoo, and almost nothing here. I havent even seen Joel or JP, which kinda surpises me. As for the tribal paint, I have 2 ideas. How bout either putting a border around the bottom, like at the base of the doors, all the way around, or doing a stripe kinda thing. Two parallel tribal stripes down the middle of the hood, roof, etc.


Do either of you konw how was going around on the boards a while back pitching the wiring harnesses to do a 4.0 swap? I cant remember, and that is obviously something I should check into.

All up to you man on the paint. When I repaint mine, I'm going back with the blue but with something else also.

I think it was 410 fourtune. He is really into the 4.0 swaps

Do you know if he is on the boards since they started back up?

BTW, Damn!! We graduated to a 2 page thread, hehehehe

I don't know about that but I think he has a site of his own, I think it is the broncoIIcoral or somthing like that. You should put a hit out for him on the GD board.

hehehehehehehe. I have the longest thread on the 2.9 board na na na na.:nuts: :beer: :) :pimp: :afro:

I saw the 4.0 harnesses on eBay a while back for super cheap.

http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/7030/personal.html

That should be Fortune's site.

Hey, you had to have some help tho, hehehe :read:

Originally posted by BroncoIIBad
hehehehehehehe. I have the longest thread on the 2.9 board na na na na.:nuts: :beer: :) :pimp: :afro:

thank ya, thank ya very much. (hehepoor elvis imatation):afro:

Psstt Adam look here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592481372&r=0&t=0

Oh yeah I forgot. Adam I can hook you up with a complete 7.5 rear from a Mustang with disc brakes so you'll have plenty of whoa for your tt 4.0.

hey, I wanna look to man! Can i please huh huh.

Well, as far as the rear end, I was planning on going w/ an 8.8 from a 4.0 exploder, and jsut get it narrowed. Thats what Jeff's doing for his 2.3 T, and it already ahs the disk brakes on it, and it would cost about the same as having a ranger 8.8 w/ the SSB conversion kit on it.

how much for the rear end, and do you know what kind of gears it has in it.

it has been fun tonight but it is 12:56 here and i have a lot of work to do tommorrow so I will catch you guys later. BTW I will let you know if my B2 is finished or not.

Well it's my buddy's rear end. He pulled it from a V6 Mustang because he's building a road race car. WE're both pretty sure it's geared 3.08. I think he said $200 plus shipping. I can check for sure.

Holy fricken cow!!! The only prob is that it says that the reserve hasnt been met, and the reserve could be, and most likely, is the 600 buck selling price.

Yep that would be it.

Well, if the reserve is 600 bucks, then there is no point in me bidding on it then, since I cant come up w/ the money to pay for it, or I might just think about it. Im putting all my cash into getting another 2.9 and manual tranny into my truck so that it will be running so I can take it to the mini nats. But once I get back from the nats, and get the fall semester of college paid for, thats when Im gonna start thinking about buying a 4.0. Is 600 a pretty good price for a used 4.0??

Well hard to tell. I would think that might be a little high since 4.0s are abundant compared to 2.9s. I got a 2.9 shortblock for $75 but I would think you could snatch a complete 4.0 cheaper than $600.

Well, thats good to know. Im picking up a 2.9 w/ 66k on the ticker for 400, and then a manual tranny and all the stuff to swap a manual tranny into my truck for 600 (my truck is currently an auto).

410Fourtune hasn't updated his site since he had the 2.9.

on the explorer axl why cut it shorter. if you leave it the same width it will match the front track width. just my $.02.

Adam Baker, talk to CoryL over at the Ranger Station, about the axle.

Your right. I just realized that I screwed that up last night, it was kinda late :E. The only mods that need to be done are having the shock mounts, and spring perches welded onto the top of the axel tube.

Or if you plan on lowering your Ranger anytime, leave the spring pads on the bottom of the axle tube and you'll have an instant flip kit. I did that with my 9 inch. We put the spring pads on the bottom and completely did away with my flip kit brackets.

I had thought about lowering my ranger, but havent decided yet.i could always take the axel and weld on a second perch and that way if I decided to try it lowered, and either dont like it, or need to change it back to stock for what ever reason, I can just pull the axel, and mount the axel back up under the leaf springs.

Well there ya go the best of both worlds.

Yup :E.