View Full Version : whipple is installed, but it won't idle


02edge
Jun 24 2004, 08:09pm
I installed my Whipple tonight, but now the truck won't idle. It idled fine at first, so I took it out for a drive, but I heard it pinging very badly just above 3k so I let off it immediately, and that's when the stalling and bad idle problem started. The battery died in a parking lot due to trying to re-start it. The idle kept roaming up and down wildly, then it would stall. It died in a parking lot just down the street from my work, so a few friends helped me push it back to work. It won't re-start as of right now. One of my friends said the exhaust smelled like it was running rich, but we removed a few plugs and they were dry.

Doug904
Jun 24 2004, 08:44pm
Sounds like you lost a vacuum line, check the PCV valve vacuum line its bad about coming loose if not completely installed.

later Doug904.

92sport
Jun 24 2004, 09:19pm
If you have trouble starting it after it stalls try holding the gas pedal to the floor for a couple seconds when cranking. This signals to the computer to cut the fuel during starting. If your friends are smelling gas it probably putting in too much fuel at startup.

slovater
Jun 24 2004, 10:39pm
92 sport check your PM's

Doug904
Jun 25 2004, 03:30am
Naa, not a computer issue with the injectors. The reason he smells fuel is because its not starting and its getting alot of fuel anyway. Get some carb spray and cehck for vacuum leaks, I'm sure you know how to do this working at a dealer. :)

Later Doug904.

02edge
Jun 25 2004, 04:31am
Yeah, I'll get some help today with it. I'm still just an apprentice, but I have been to school and am capable of fixing most things. This is my first time putting forced induction on my daily driver though, so it's still a learning experience. I did find myself taking the supercharger off a few times to grind down the a/c compressor housing some more, couldn't get it to sit flat at first because the picture was a little hard to read. Having the instructions in color would really help there. Maybe the intake gasket got damaged during that whole thing, it took me at least 3-4 tries.

One thing I am wondering is, could I have messed up the programming in the computer by trying to program keys? I had installed a spare computer for a few days so that I could drive the truck while Whipple programmed mine. I had one of the other techs helping me try to get the wds to communicate with the computer. Is it possible the programmable module installation function could have screwed it up, or did that simply take the vin number and transfer it over?

02edge
Jun 25 2004, 05:53pm
Well, it appears I screwed up huge. The supercharger siezed from being overfilled with oil. I didn't get a bottle of oil in my kit for some reason, and the instructions didn't say exactly how much oil to use. I called Whipple and they said I'm out of luck. I did pitch a fit about the crappy instructions though. Someone is going to have to talk me out of trading this thing in on a Mustang GT, because that's the point i'm at right now. It's back to stock and driveable, but I don't know if I can continue to go through this kind of stuff. I'm better off just buying something faster and being happy at this point.

lillitnn92
Jun 25 2004, 07:50pm
Originally posted by 02edge
Well, it appears I screwed up huge. The supercharger siezed from being overfilled with oil. I didn't get a bottle of oil in my kit for some reason, and the instructions didn't say exactly how much oil to use. I called Whipple and they said I'm out of luck. I did pitch a fit about the crappy instructions though. Someone is going to have to talk me out of trading this thing in on a Mustang GT, because that's the point i'm at right now. It's back to stock and driveable, but I don't know if I can continue to go through this kind of stuff. I'm better off just buying something faster and being happy at this point.

i would push the issue a little more with them, sounds like you deserve something.

Bulldog559
Jun 25 2004, 08:22pm
i dont see how you can install a supercharger without reprogramming the computer. i would have thought that with all the sensors you'd have to.

02edge
Jun 25 2004, 08:49pm
I already had the computer reprogrammed. The original computer for this truck is sitting in my toolbox right now. I have the truck driveable right now with a spare one I had bought, which is coming in very handy at the moment. If I hadn't bought that, right now I'd have a totally useless pickup truck sitting there at work that wouldn't run right. I took the supercharger back off earlier this afternoon. I'm still thinking about what to do, but I am contemplating getting rid of this thing.

BOSS 3.0
Jun 26 2004, 12:38am
If the charger is a paperweight, I could use it for measurements and fitment (Pre-'95 Rangers). Be happy to pay shipping and a few $$ for your troubles...

02edge
Jun 26 2004, 04:28am
That's an interesting offer, I'll think about taking it up with you. I am a little calmer now that I've had some sleep. I am thinking of buying another compressor. Since I have the rest of the installation stuff needed, it wouldn't make sense to just kill off the entire project and sell the truck at this point. I think I might just get another unit and bolt it on to the manifold I have and try again, this time being much more careful. I've wanted this supercharger kit for the truck ever since I ordered the truck, and bought the truck with this motor for that reason.

Wed Turner
Jun 26 2004, 05:19am
Originally posted by lillitnn92
i would push the issue a little more with them, sounds like you deserve something.

Agreed. It was their fault that the oil wasn't included with the kit in the first place. Stay calm, don't yell, always ask for a manager when you aren't getting the answer you want and just see how far you can get until your satisfied. Remind them of things like, you work for Ford, and are a member of the largest online Ranger community. How they treat you is going to be HUGE for marketing because everyone is watching. Most improtantly stay calm and don't raise your voice. But always be firm and when the person on the phone isn't giving you the answers you want, ask to speak to their manager, and don't tak the whole, "we'll have them give you a call."

02edge
Jun 26 2004, 05:38am
Unfortunately I already pretty much chewed them a new one on the phone, so I highly doubt they will do anything to help me as far as warranty is concerned now. I was trying to stay calm, but couldn't seeing as how I bought such an expensive piece of equipment and got crappy instructions with it.

Wed Turner
Jun 26 2004, 05:45am
It's a new day, make a new phone call. If possible, apologize for your actions the day before (only if you think you really were bad). Than explain your situation and go from there. Seriously you are taking this to easy. Worst case I would settle for is them splitting the costs with you on the replacement.

92sport
Jun 26 2004, 12:33pm
If they didn't include oil or instructions for filling the SC how are you going to know how much to put in? Thats why you paid them all that money is so that you'd get a 'kit' that takes all the thinking out of the install. It should have had oil in the kit.
What kind of oil did you use?

I agree with WED. Ask to talk to a superior. You probably talked to one of their 'goons' who really don't care if your happy or not. I think if they leave you out to dry theres going to be a couple other prospective buyers of the whipple that might look elsewhere.

02edge
Jun 26 2004, 04:24pm
I used 5w50 synthetic like the instructions said, Castrol brand. I pm'd Doug about the issue, he'll see what he can do to help me.

3.0 kaos
Jun 26 2004, 07:23pm
good luck man strange though the instuctions i saw wer in color and the ac grinding join the club,the compressore heavy ain't it?

rocklayer
Jun 27 2004, 04:11am
I found out after I installed mine that you are only supposed to fill the supercharger 3/4 full on the dip stick. I had filled mine to the top of the full indicator on the dip stick and was having oil leaking out the front of the pully. The compressor has an overflow hole located behind the pully and if you over fill it the oil leaks out there. After i removed the extra oil the leaking stopped. I agree with you that the installation instructions need help. How much extra oil did you put in? Were you way above the full mark?

02edge
Jun 27 2004, 06:24am
I was only about 1/16" over the mark, very small amount over. Several of the other techs at my work said that shouldn't have locked the unit up. I never saw oil leaking out anywhere while it was running.

felgar_1
Jun 27 2004, 06:11pm
I would say something was wrong with the charger to seaze up like that. I could see it if you never put oil in at all. Boss beat me to the punch on the charger. I would call them back and go up the food chain tell you get the right answer from them. It's like the old saying goes,(S*** flows down hill) and if someone up the food chain has to take care of it everyone else will hear about it.

02edge
Jun 29 2004, 07:06pm
Ok, I don't want to say anything specific too soon, but it looks like Doug may have gotten me some help. I'll post back when I know for sure. I do want to say that Doug has been awesome in helping me with this problem and I'd like to thank him for his help. If no one had helped me out at all, I probably would have traded the truck in by now. Instead, I'll stick through this and see what happens.

lillitnn92
Jun 29 2004, 11:18pm
see, we can help each other! good to hear:)