Just like Richard (Spiderman) This really sux..it`s bent right behind the balljoint. If I were all you 98+ guys w/DJM arms I would keep an eye out.

These arms really BLOW. I had Chassis Tech arms & they are way better built.

Anyone know were I can get just one? I really don`t want to have to buy both...(I know I`ll probably have to)

How did it bend?

I have no idea..it`s not as bad as his was though.

Guess I'm glad I got Chassis Tech. They are a good bit bulkier than DJM's.

Man Ricky that sucks. Maybe you guys should call up DJm and make a complaint with like signatures of everyone that has had a problem.
Ricky

This is about a bunch of shi*! They need to make a better product.

I wonder if this may be the reason my truck mysteriosly dropped a inch up front after hitting a huge dip in the road going really fast. And that would explain the really weird noises my front end is making now. I think I will have a look tomorrow.

How about getting a list of all RPS members who are having a similiar problem.

Later,
BDPaco

:drunk:

I dunno man, I got the DJM control arms and I haven't had a problem. Did they change something recently? I've had mine on for about a year and a half w/o any problems. Hit pot holes, ditches.... even hit a really nasty manhole cover (hit the crossmember that the arms bolt to.... and hit it HARD)

So I dunno guys.... :l

Even tho I did have the arms replaced once about 6 months after I had the drop and realized that one arm was WAY different than the other.... stupid shop

damn ricky that sucks post some pictures.
i do have a question about the STOCK control arms.
do you think the stock ones could bend? because the 99 wants to pull and sawy(sp?) to the right. the alinement is straight.

I WAS GOING to get the djm arms but i guess not after all your complaints but will the Chassis Tech arms give me the same drop that i want the 4 inch drop in the front

i wouldnt get the aim or chassis tech uppers. They suck but never had the lowers. With 17x9 i cant turn more than half way then they rub the control arms.
Rudy

Originally posted by Rudy
i wouldnt get the aim or chassis tech uppers. They suck but never had the lowers. With 17x9 i cant turn more than half way then they rub the control arms.
Rudy

I can turn all the way with stock wheels and tires on chassis tech control arms.

guess it depends on the wheels. I got the adjustable ones to fix camber. will probably be selling them when i get the djm kit.
Rudy

I called them sorry SOB`s he said since I have bags I`m **** out of luck..(basicly). I told him they need to be on the look out..there will be more.

So I need to buy new lowers..they wouldn`t even just sell me one..:cussing: :cussing:

Oh well..I may just Tig some gussets on there when I get back to Tx..

on their site it says not responsible when the arms are used for bags. They are not designed for that they say.
Rudy

Originally posted by Rudy
on their site it says not responsible when the arms are used for bags. They are not designed for that they say.
Rudy

Yes we know that but the other guys have not had bags they have only had regular drops with DJm arms and coils.
Ricky

SORRY didnt know that, in that case the site also talks about how they are responsible for their kits when they are used correctly, so i would try to talk to someone high up or something.
Rudy

I still stand by my statments made in Spidermans thread http://www.rangerpowersports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94810

These control are poorly made. That plate steel end does not offer enough support in the direction of the vehicles weight. Combine that with the bending moment that is going to happen right at where that plate meets the tube supports. Not a well thought out design at all. If you have DJM arms that have not bent then good, but personally I would stay far away from these arms.

thread has been stickied

does anybody else make lower arm than chassi tech or djm that i can use for bags??
Rudy

which control arms should i get because i have 20 inch rims ?

Got under the ranger today and my lower control arms are bent ever so slightly. I guess I will be taking them off and having them reinforced sometime soon so they dont bend any more.

later
bdpaco

:drunk:

ricky I guess I need to gusset mine some before I get it back together - where are you thinkinjg of adding to them? Where exactly are they bending?

Originally posted by Rudy
i wouldnt get the aim or chassis tech uppers. They suck but never had the lowers. With 17x9 i cant turn more than half way then they rub the control arms.
Rudy

i put bags w/ ct upper and lower arms on a ranger 3-4 years ago and truck still has no probs. turns better then my i beamed truck, it has 18x8 enkies on it

Originally posted by whtranger
ricky I guess I need to gusset mine some before I get it back together - where are you thinkinjg of adding to them? Where exactly are they bending?

You want to see where they're bending? Take a look at the pics I just took of mine. I just about fainted. :bawl: I took pics of both sides, so you can see the difference.



Passenger side (good)

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm4.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm4.jpg


Driver side (bad) :bawl::bawl::bawl::bawl:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm3.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm3.jpg

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm1.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cwight/crossmember/controlarm1.jpg

Though remember, I hit a huge pothole in Virginia back in February that tore the tire and bent my wheel, so this is to the extreme, but I'll bet that's where it's bending for everyone else.

So the next question is, has ANYONE used DJM upper arms with Chassistech lower arms?

im sure about to try it.
Rudy

And you all thought I was nuts.

:nuts:


DJM needs to do some serious work. Those who's arms have bent, do you have a 6cyl? I do.


And here are my pics in case anyone missed them.

http://www.definiteobsessions.com/images/tech/compare4.jpg

http://www.definiteobsessions.com/images/tech/compare3.jpg

http://www.definiteobsessions.com/images/tech/compare1.jpg

http://www.definiteobsessions.com/images/tech/compare2.jpg

Hey Richard why not bring the bent ones down if you have them and see what we could do with a gusset. I am just imagining welding a extra piece of 1/4 plate over the top of the area flat would help.

I only took out the driver's side one (the pass side is ok). I will bring it on down Monday to the shop so you guys can tinker with it.

Richard

Richard did you ever notice your truck leaning real bad before you hit that pothole on the way back home from Showfest? This might have something to do with the DJM arms not being able to handle a certain amount of force. And its probably happening on the drivers' side cuz that side is a little bit heavier.

Yes his truck leaned bad on that side before the pothole. Not so much leaned but had wicked camber issues.
Ricky

I just now decided to read this and my friend bought djm control arms and we had heard about them braking or even bending. Well he was looking them over and theres a couple spots that they had missed with the welder that they got with the other side. Now I don't know if this is the case with all of them or not. I don't remember which side this was on or where at on the arm, but I could ask if you guys want more info.

i have a set of brand new djm arms in my shop tell where to look and ill look at em.

Mine bent on the drivers side arm, right where the flat area is where the ball joint goes. My pics on the 1st page show where.

Ok my friend doesn't remember which side he welded, but he said it was the upper arm he welded underneth where the flat plate connects to the round part. Thats where they missed welding.

I was going to lower my truck more, but this is getting me to wondering. Just how many have bent on the drivers side?

Not many.

Mine arnt bent - yet - but you also got to think I only but about 12000 miles on mine since I bagged it (same time those arms went on) and havnt driven it in months..

mine have been fine for just over a year now but i'm gonna keep an eye on them. I haven't really hit any good size pot holes or anything though. Thanks fo the heads up guys, i'd really hate for it to bend now, i'm just about to bag mine in the next couple of weeks or so.

and when i said DJM sucked, you guys all jumped on me and told me to shut up....i hope you guys listen to me now

Heres a good question... If they are bending why does airlift use them, and base there bags around that arm ????

Originally posted by Rangeron17s
Heres a good question... If they are bending why does airlift use them, and base there bags around that arm ????

Maybe they don't do enough testing on the DJM control arms.

Really good question. Tell me if this would work and what kind of damage could it cause...

the lower arms are bending up and making camber horrible right?


what if you cut the end off say where it bends and made it point down say 5 - 10 degrees wouldnt that help camber at lower hieghts? What effect would this have on balljoints. The only real thing I can see is a strain on the upper balljoint from the spindle wanting to positive camber..

As soon as richard gets his control arms here I will get to work on something to beef it up. At least some suggestions.
Ricky

I got Richards arm in yesterday and looked at it in person and man it is wild. I had a few ideas about how to gusset it but I thought to myself, why not call DJM and ask their opinion.
I got pretty goodresponse from Grant over at DJM he is going to check out the site and see what is going on etc...

I also made another post for everyone to sign with these arms and list if you were bagged or just dropped and if they were bent or not. Please check it out.
Ricky

DJM is makin their control arms better i had the same thing and the shop talked to DJM and they said they are makin there plates thicker than 1/4, but i think it would be better if they made the tubing go around the plate

Wel they are not making them any different at all. Richards new replacement is the same as the one that bent. they cannot go any thicker due to the ball joints that go through them and the fact they do not run tubing around the whole arm is b/c the spindle has to bolt up on the ball joint on the bottom instead of the tops.
Ricky

omg this really worries me.....cuz im on a budget and if they dont cover something like this then im screwed.....im using their coils too and hopefully thats "using it right"

i just installed mine about a month ago...nothing so far from what i see....i just hope it stays that way for a litle while.....

maybe i need to fill those warranty forms out now

when did richard get his replacement, cuz my truck is in the shop right now as we speak and djm said they are workin on makin there control arms stronger due to the many complaints and problems they have gotten

i talked to just a guy in the tech support , he said he never heard anything about the problems. i told him to check out this site .
rudy

hey guys DJM just came out with a new design on the lower arms. I had them on my truck until they bent, i called DJM and they are sending me the new ones and im sendin the old ones back. LIFETIME WARRANTY rules.

I think they are just the same ones with ball joints installed. Post pics though if they are different.

do those control arms come with balljoints?

I have a bent drivers side one also. Is there one for sale anywhere?

I think I read somewhere that DJM is going to or will be making the control arms 1/16 of an inch thicker. That is .0625 thousandths of an inch or about the thickness of 15 sheets of paper. If this is true that should be plenty enough to remedy the problem, and not pose a problem of clearence for installation of the ball joint. If I have time I might get under my truck and measure some stuff sometime this week and see if this is a viable solution

Like I said I am not sure but I think I read this someplace. And I am no engineer so I am not 100% sure if this could work but from what I do know and what I have looked at it looks like this could be a viable solution.

Later,
bdpaco
:drunk:

Originally posted by 99-302pwrd
do those control arms come with balljoints?

They are no selling them with ball joints installed.

Originally posted by lowranger
hey guys DJM just came out with a new design on the lower arms. I had them on my truck until they bent, i called DJM and they are sending me the new ones and im sendin the old ones back. LIFETIME WARRANTY rules.

Actually The Have a Disclamer on there Website To AirBag Users.
That Running AirBags Voids Any And All Warranty. So Don't Let Them Know You are using Airbags.

i think they only honor the control arm warranty if u use their coils as well

Originally posted by ReDLine
i think they only honor the control arm warranty if u use their coils as well

yup

Does anyone know if those control arms will affect a 4 cyl. ranger thats only gonna be dropped? I was plannin to buy the 4/5" kit for my 2000 4 cyl. ranger. has anyone reiforced those control arms yet. so know in kinda :confused: about gettin the kit.

ahh damn that sux, the 2000 Ranger Im buying on Monday comes with DJM c-arms.....crap...crap...crap. I really hope they dont bend.

ive only had my control arms for a few weeks, you guys are getting me worried.

Originally posted by will6ran
Does anyone know if those control arms will affect a 4 cyl. ranger thats only gonna be dropped? I was plannin to buy the 4/5" kit for my 2000 4 cyl. ranger. has anyone reiforced those control arms yet. so know in kinda :confused: about gettin the kit.

Prob will be ok, I believe the ones that bent were just heated to much during welding and weakened. No reinforcement yet, it gets in the way of the ball joints.

Originally posted by Pepe
So the next question is, has ANYONE used DJM upper arms with Chassistech lower arms?

I have DJM uppers and Chassis Tech lowers. I hate to see those pics .... bad news. I will be looking at my CT lowers now. I have been running the DJM uppers and CT lowers now for about a year. The truck is set up for 20's, although no money for 20's :(

My turning radius is great and it drives straight and smooth. I havent noticed any problems with the combination.